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EMC Chronology
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PostPosted: Fri, October 13, 2006 10:23 PM

Whew. In proof that a couple hours of work is better than a few months of thought, here's an extremely rough timeline/chronology to the Eternals' canon. It took about one hour of typing, two hours of cross-referencing things with the Wiki, and five hours of sorting out Tenk's contradictions. ;]

You only think I'm joking.

"So why would you take all year to post something that's not even done, Wayne?"

Well, you can thank Krizak for that one. After all, he was the one who made this site a Wiki... and that means that I don't have to know everything, as long as everyone knows something, and of course contributes to it. Since I'm going to get stuff wrong anyway, why not just go ahead and let you guys fill in the gaps as needed? It's a community project, after all.

Anyway, here we go. Note that there's a couple new things, and some weirdness (for example, the canon from the Saint page and the Wiki is contradictory on some issues, like pretty much everything pertaining to Mishnu, Saint, and the Void Wars, so I invented some things (like pushing S4 down to way after Mishnu was already Alpha)). If you have any questions, feel free to ask; ditto for corrections/explanations.

Key: c. = "circa," or "approximately"; a ? means the circa range is in one full unit of measurement (billions for OG, millions for AC, hundreds for ED), and a ~ means the range is broad, but not as much as if it were a ?.

Time of the "Old Gods" (OG)

?c.20B OG - The first universe is formed out of the Void by the "Creator," and the other gods take various roles in maintaining it.
~c.18B OG - A group of shugenja use "old magic" to awaken the Void and draw it to the first universe; the Creator and her allies alter it so that it begins to create lesser copies as a buffer against the Void. This is successful, and a "frothing edge" of existence and Void forms along the new multiverse's border.
c.17.9B OG - The first of the gods rebel against the Creator and attempt to create new universes, using their own power to try to ward off the Void; but they are destroyed and absorbed into it. Phaetheon and his allies use this energy to create a barrier between the lost universes and still-existing ones, called aether.
c.17.89B - Believing their cause to be hopeless, an old god willingly merges with the Void, enhancing its knowledge and power.
~c.17.2B OG - Contemplative gods create the first of the "outer planes," higher realities compared to physical universes, and give up some of their power to create bonds to connect these planes to certain universes. Most of the remaining creator gods follow suit, creating the first non-elemental religions.
~c.16.9B OG - The planes begin to create their own life-forms and "iterations" (in the form of lesser planes spread out over more of the multiverse). Old gods such as Aniishvara begin to examine the planes, the first true "evolution" outside of their control.
~c.16.6B OG - Aniishvara discovers life in the Far Realms that predates the planes, although the monstrosities prove impossible to accurately study.
~c.16.5B OG - One of the gods tries to create "blank" copies to seed new universes. Several of these are created before the Void mysteriously adapts and begins to focus on universes with less matter and energy first.
?c.16B OG - Their numbers reduced, one old god creates lesser deities to maintain the universes split from his iterations. Others begin to follow suit, and soon almost every core universe has its varying sets of lesser gods.
?c.15B OG - One god joins with agents from the Void to attempt to kill the Creator; Phaetheon defeats them and begins to learn to use Void energy himself.
~c. 14B OG - The Creator and her remaining allies create the Continuous, a new, non-iterative universe in the center of the multiverse itself. They slowly populate it with life, keeping it hidden from the Void.
~c.10B OG - The first Void War begins as an "Emperor" arises, using the twisted essences of victims of the Void as an army to destroy many universes in an attempt to get to the Continuous, before an alliance of the remaining gods and the lords of the first Planes defeat them. Losses range in the billions.
?c.9B OG - One old god creates an advanced, quasi-deific true breeding race known as the "sentinels" to battle against the Void.
~c.8B OG - The "sentinels" rebel, weakening their patron dramatically, who is then assassinated. The sentinels, possessing the power to cross realities, scatter; their bloodlines lead to the first Transcendents.

~c.4B OG - Another old god creates a race based on the sentinels, called the Guardians; and separated them among various universes along the Far Realms to battle Void incursions. This god is also mysteriously assassinated shortly afterward.
?c.2B OG - The Void perfects another trick, using certain types of creatures to absorb the energies of worlds into the Void. No gods were left with influence over the Continuous aside from the Creator, who was unwilling to sacrifice her own creation to stop the Void. Eventually, she gives up her powers of anti-creation and part of her self, which results in Vante. Her "brother" uses his Void power to utterly destroy the tainted worlds, thus preventing another Void war.
~c.1.6B OG - One god of order separates most of his essence in the form of specialized multiversal beings called "Auditors," whose goal is to sustain the multiverse through compiling and organizing universes instead of directly combating it. This god is also killed, though some time after the Auditors were safely established.
c.400M OG - Members of "The Others" gather warriors from other universes to fight on their world of Erynmere.
~c.80M OG - Aniishvara chooses the world of Thallien to create her own sentinel race, and develops a line of creatures into the Endless.

Age of the Creator (AC)

c.75M AC - Following the victory of the An'ven and beings they recruited to assist them against the Void, the Creator ordains Anko and others as the first Eternals, and charges them to build a society to help protect the Continuous against the Void. They adopt a massive, magical fortress as their new home.
c.70M AC - Seeing that her "Eternals" were progressing slowly, the Creator shows them how to control passages to the Plane of Creation to transcend into and even re-create other universes. Using the "Memory Pools," the population slowly grows as the first Eternals find suitable warriors to join them.
~c.65M AC - As the demiplane the Memory Pools are hidden in expands, the Eternals gradually begin to build houses and infrastructure inside it. This growth is extremely slow, and the construction takes millions of cycles.

~c.63M AC - Phaetheon mortally wounds Aniishvara in a close battle, and swears to the Creator that he will undo her mistakes.
~c.61M AC - Fudo confronts Phaetheon for his crimes against their fellow gods and defeats him; although Void Mage's use of Void-powered spells leaves him permanently scarred.
~c.60M AC - The Void attacks unexpectedly, routing the Eternals and making inroads into the Continuous. The first Eternal Void War ends when veterans of the first Void War arrive from the planes to assist. Several of them swear allegiance to the Creator and stay, hiding their identities from the new Eternals.
~c.59M AC - The Eternals re-organize into a caste-based society, including positions for arts and sciences not related to warfare. Some Eternals protest and leave in the bitterest infighting since their inception; Anko withdraws from the public eye and the Creator herself has to intervene.
c.58M AC - Construction begins on a dedicated home for the Eternals, and they enchant a floating continent in the Continuous as a site for their city.
c.55M AC - A minor Void attack in one of the ERH clusters prompts an overreaction that leads to a war between the Eternals and one of the races allied with the Void. The Eternals accept millions of refugees and begin to place them into the Echelon as the population explodes.
c.52M AC - Eternal Lambdas unearth the Titanicus, a golem unaffected by nearly all supernatural powers, which begins a slow rampage toward the center of the Continuous.
c.51M AC - In an emergency meeting, the Eternal High Council agrees to move the nearly-finished city and all Eternals into the demiplane, and the Titanicus passes by without incident.
c.49M AC - The Titanicus is destroyed by a massive team of bounty hunters, representing nearly all the established races in the Continuous. Its creator was never identified.
~c.40M AC - Cronimus joins the Eternals as an advisor to the Delta. Though disliked he proves to be an invaluable asset.
~c.26M AC - The Void attacks once again, this time striking with a smaller force to trick their enemies. After minor skirmishing, the leader of this Void force, a powerful necromancer similar to the being who attacked the An'ven, animates the beings slain by the Void into wraiths and more powerful creatures. The exponentially increasing army is finally defeated by the Eternal military's fighting to the last man, each having orders to sacrifice themselves if necessary to kill large numbers of the enemy. The terrible losses and brutal nature of the war demoralized many Eternals, some running away and others transferring to other castes.
c.25.9M AC - Fabian is personally revived and chosen by the Creator to become an Eternal, and joins the scattered forces returning to the city.
c.25.8M AC - After reviewing the second Void War, the current Delta steps down, appointing Cronimus to succeed him.
~c.19.5M AC - Agents hostile to the Eternals, including many Vagrants, begin the "Epidemics War," using engineered nanites to start a plague throughout the Continuous. A reprisal team of Xis assassinate those responsible, but the plague ends up out of control; and rival groups continued to attack and harass Eternal attempts to study and cure the plague. When Cronimus's wife dies in a rescue operation, he and other scientists develop a weapon to eradicate the nano-worms and those infected.
~c.12M AC - The Void launches an all-out assault against the Multiverse, beginning in the Far Realms and cutting a swath toward the Continuous. The attack is so sudden and from so many different locations that by the time the Eternals react, the Void's numbers had already multiplied. The planes again join the battle, but this time the leaders of the Void defeat them, absorbing the planar regions of the universes they consume as well.
c.11.95M AC - The Eternals, realizing that fighting on their own would be ineffective, learn about previous events where groups had recruited other warriors in the Multiverse as shock troops. With Miracle, newly recruited by Septerra, serving as a figurehead for other "mortals," the Eternals and their allies amass an army even as the Void closed in, thousands of universes already lost. Miracle is secretly made an Eternal by the Creator.
c.11.9M AC - Committing the bulk of their forces in a feint, the Eternals send Senares, Miracle, and other volunteers on a mission to defeat the most problematic part of the invasion, a "hive" of sorts hidden within a region of the encroaching Void discharging countless swarms of void-beasts. Miracle defeats the Shapeshifter within while Fabian stopped the growth of the swarm, and despite devastating losses the Eternals drive the Void out of the Continuous.
c.11.89M AC - Fabian becomes the next Beta, as his predecessor had fallen and been added to the ranks of the Vicers. In a plot known only to the High Council, Cronimus banishes Miracle to the new edges of the Void rather than allowing him to join the Eternals.
c.11.5M AC - At Fabian's urging, the current Alpha agrees to abolish the strict caste system and streamline the roles of those in the Echelon. The lowest rank of "Zeta" was altered to reflect those without another title.
~c.4.5M AC - An unassuming member of the Celestial Choir named Septerra is appointed Gamma.
~c.4M AC - Mishnu backs the current Sigma in a dispute with Cronimus and Vante over the existence of a world unusually attuned to the Memory Pools. Their rivals promote Mishnu to Epsilon of Recruitment.
c.3.8M AC - Using her new authority as Epsilon of Recruitment, Mishnu helps a mortal friend named Saint hold a tournament to oppose Cronimus, who continues to threaten the world in question. Shortly afterward, Saint is led to the Creator and made into an Eternal; Mishnu promotes him to the third Sigma.
~c.3M AC - The Void launches another invasion of the Multiverse, but compared to the two previous assaults, this one is comparatively straightforward; and the Void is defeated once more by the actions of the Eternals and the warriors gathered via the Memory Pools. However, the lack of any support from the planes leads to casualties still being high, although nowhere near the devastation of the 2nd or 3rd Void Wars.
c.1.4M AC - Mishnu becomes the next Alpha, succeeding the previous one, who had been assassinated following a dispute with Vante that led him to pursue Saint to the planet the Sigma was overseeing. The assassin was never found.
c.200 AC - Saint directly opposes Vante over a significant Earth universe, using a forbidden "entropy sphere" to save it from his influence. Unknown to Saint, this drastically affects Vante, and in turn the Creator.
1 AC - The Creator's separation from Vante has eventually cost her most of her essence, and she asks Mishnu to assist her. Saint holds his last tournament to save her, but ultimately she rejects it; and she and Vante pass on, leaving behind the last of their essence in an Eternal infant, who becomes Yume's shell.

Era of the Daughter (ED)

2 ED - Recoiling from the Creator's loss, Cronimus and other scientists begin immediate research on attempting to find other sources of immortality. Necromancy, robotics, magical possession, and more are all considered practical options during this time.
5 ED - Ayin and Keir cause mischief in the Eternal City, who are hesitant to confront them with the recent loss of the Creator. Eventually, Ayin is killed and a repentant Keir is accepted into Eternal society.
8 ED - Saint secretly takes Yume to Mishnu, who gives her a place in the city and enrolls her in the academy.
13 ED - After accidentally killing a classmate, Yume is accosted by Phaetheon, who begins teaching her to use her powers, and then removing her memory of it afterward.
15 ED - Yume holds a tournament with the ultimate goal being to give up her powers, but after confronting and defeating that Shapeshifter she changes her mind, accepting her role as the new Creator and returning to the Eternals' city.
~c.100 ED - An advanced construct calling itself Krizak holds a tournament with the goal of becoming a god, and succeeds.
~c.500 ED - One of the few remaining old gods known as the "Watcher" returns from his meditations to find the Creator dead and his allied murdered by Phaetheon. After a short time of reflection, he attempts to split his essence into parts as other gods had done, but his lack of will caused them to die. The state of divine undeath lasted a week, drawing beings from across the multiverse to him; before it ended.
~c.1000 ED - Fabian tracks his old friend Halcyon to the unusual universe of Crystara, where he had been found by an agent of Cronimus's. A brief tournament held there resulted in the uncovering of the legendary "Forever Sin," which vanished for a time in a battle against the "children of terror" that were endangering that world.
3503 ED - Adam Reeve is hired to track down those responsible for stealing one of the old Sigma controllers for the Memory Pools, in the form of a gauntlet. During the confusion, Yuo takes control of the Pools to ostensibly help Miracle's plot for revenge against the Eternals. Cronimus is killed in the eventual attack on the City, which is cut free from the demiplane the Eternals had been using; and Miracle flees.
3506 ED - Portica hosts a tournament to attempt to settle the conflict on her homeworld of Nusuth, complicated by the arrival of the Muses (on a rescue mission for Septerra, who'd been kidnapped there). Eventually Portica aligned herself with the Void and attempted to destroy the world, but was killed.
3507 ED - A Vagrant Eternal named Foxglove attempts to use another tournament to strike at the Eternals, but was captured and exiled to Agamemnon.
3508 ED - Vire launches the fifth Void War, consolidating his forces for several cycles before using artifacts to transport them directly to Arcadia to attack the Eternals. The fighting lasts for one brutal day before he is defeated by several of the warriors he brought with him, and retreats back through Carpasia to the Void.
3509 ED - Anuthi returns to Thallien from exile, in a plot that draws in warriors from the multiverse as well as the Eternal members of AEGIS. He is ultimately killed, and Aniishvara uses the last of her power to restore the planet.
4319 ED - Phaetheon attacks the Eternals directly in a bid for the Multiverse, but is drawn out by Yume's appearance in the tournament hosted by Sasurai. Eventually, he is defeated in the Void itself, although he manages to partially succeed in his goals; he destroys the part of Yume's essence that could have been used to reset the Multiverse in the "final option."

Edit: Wow, I thought somebody would call me on some of the outright fiction in there, but I guess not. The stuff highlighted in red isn't actually canon, just some stuff I came up with. If anyone wants to change it via canon fiction or whatever, that's totally fine.

Some of the clarifications are also just extrapolation that isn't canon either (such as the role the Titanicus might've had in the Eternals' living in a demiplane), but which needed an explanation and none were forthcoming. Same deal; if you guys have better ideas, then feel free to share them.
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PostPosted: Tue, October 17, 2006 12:28 AM

Why call on fiction when it'll be corrected via fiction anyway? ;)

Initial article: here. Eight hours for you to compile and write, five for me to wikicode it.

Figures the only line it actually choked on was the first Aniishvara passage *eyes Lucent sternly*.

As a note, we're currently missing RT:So, RT:SaGa, S19, and E:TotI from the timeline, if any of those hosts want to chip in here or on the wiki. It's safe to assume RT:SaGa is sometime between 3503 ED and 4319 ED from Amethyst's appearances, and I believe both S19 and E:TotI are during or immediately after 4319 ED, though a definate word is needed.

No clue about RT:So other than sometime prior to 3509 ED, owing to Rugal and Minsc taking off for Multiversal existance afterward and their later involvment in RT:Legacy Second Beta.
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FOUR OH THREEEE!
PostPosted: Tue, October 17, 2006 02:08 AM

SXII is also missing from the timeline, I didn't see anything about Cronimus' death there Mad

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oh no
PostPosted: Tue, October 17, 2006 03:52 AM

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SXII is also missing from the timeline, I didn't see anything about Cronimus' death there


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3503 ED - Adam Reeve is hired to track down those responsible for stealing one of the old Sigma controllers for the Memory Pools, in the form of a gauntlet. During the confusion, Yuo takes control of the Pools to ostensibly help Miracle's plot for revenge against the Eternals. Cronimus is killed in the eventual attack on the City, which is cut free from the demiplane the Eternals had been using; and Miracle flees.


;)

Helmar-- Thanks, very nicely done. :] Was there no way to preserve the "circa" notes on the dividers? It might help distinguish between events with a "set" time and those which are just ballpark figures. (On the other hand, I guess we don't need them; almost all the ones in Yume's time have exact dates and none of the previous ones do. Heh.)

I'd forgotten about RT Solid (>_>), but good catch on the others. Yeah, the hosts would probably need to provide the dates for the post-S18 tournaments, since I'm not aware of them (or any estimates). I was mostly focusing on more or less "significant" events, hence why S13 and Saga weren't mentioned (timeline-wise they're probably in that jumble from 3503-3509).

And it goes without saying, but if any of you Wiki guys want to clean up the timeline breaks or improve the wording or whatever, go for it.
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PostPosted: Tue, October 17, 2006 08:18 AM

I covered RTSo without hopefully breaking continuity TOO much (no mention of an Omniverse) and put it in 3467 ED (didn't want to crowd around the 35-- dates even more).

Or at least I'm trying to. Stupid database errors.

Nevermind, it worked.
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PostPosted: Tue, October 17, 2006 10:03 AM

Wayne wrote:
Helmar-- Thanks, very nicely done. :] Was there no way to preserve the "circa" notes on the dividers? It might help distinguish between events with a "set" time and those which are just ballpark figures. (On the other hand, I guess we don't need them; almost all the ones in Yume's time have exact dates and none of the previous ones do. Heh.)


I probably could have, but like you said, the majority of them (all but three, really) fall within the seven- to nine-digit range. It's fairly safe to assume that sometime in 16.6B OG Aniishvara discovers life in the Far Realms that predates the planes, not that is was specifically in 16,600,000,000 OG. The three that fall within ED (still four-digit) all take place in that mostly-empty pre-3500's era, so we can nail them down later if needed.
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PostPosted: Tue, October 17, 2006 06:58 PM

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I covered RTSo without hopefully breaking continuity TOO much (no mention of an Omniverse)


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Two enigmatic yet extremely powerful beings named Onyx and Crusader gather warriors to defeat an ancient menace named Anno in a Continuous-less copy of the Multiverse.


But that's... the same thing. The point isn't that there's not an "Omniverse," it's that there's only one Multiverse. Copying the multiverse is beyond the ability of anything in canon, heck, even Vire's loophole only started a new one. That's just... ...you know what? I don't care anymore. If nobody else has a problem with overgod self-inserts who mucked up continuity enough that the ripples are still going (mostly via Rugal), then I don't either. It's not worth it over something this silly.
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PostPosted: Tue, October 17, 2006 09:42 PM

Wayne wrote:
Copying the multiverse is beyond the ability of anything in canon, heck, even Vire's loophole only started a new one.


Vire didn't even really start a new one, as it turns out. He simply seems to have created a "dark side" of the current Multiverse (THE NEGAVERSE).

While Mr. Wayne here may have chosen not to fight this battle, I will not cede such ground. Having beings capable of creating an entirely new Multiverse out of scratch (keep in mind that, as we have it, even the Creator didn't make the current Multiverse all by herself, but had help from the other Old Gods) implies that there are beings out there that can arbitrarily smack around the Void like it was a brittle old man, and that is not good.

Plus I object to the most powerful thing in canon being related in any way, shape or form to MacBauer. I mean, seriously...
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PostPosted: Wed, October 18, 2006 06:47 AM

Alexander Krizak wrote:
Wayne wrote:
Copying the multiverse is beyond the ability of anything in canon, heck, even Vire's loophole only started a new one.


Vire didn't even really start a new one, as it turns out. He simply seems to have created a "dark side" of the current Multiverse (THE NEGAVERSE).


The Niggaverse?

*is shot*

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HERESY.

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PostPosted: Wed, October 18, 2006 09:39 AM

While I'd rather Rugal not get retconned out of existence (a tourney win is a tourney win :E)...ironically enough, I'm with Krizak on this, for pretty much the same reasons he stated.
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PostPosted: Wed, October 18, 2006 07:45 PM

SaGa happened sometime between S12 and whenever Amethyst's Delivery Service made its official appearance. Amethyst appearances in tournaments between that time were time-travelling future versions of him. Which honestly opens a whole new can of worms I do not want to deal with, and would be satisfied with retconning said appearances out of existence. They didn't affect anything anyway.

As for RTSo... Flowplane? :D

Wait, wait, before the tar and feathers comes out, think about it. It has been established that inhabitants of the Flowplane can have varying degrees of knowledge OF the Flowplane. RTSo simply contained no one who actually knew the nature of the Flowplane, or those who knew and didn't think it worth mentioning. As for the hosts, perhaps they didn't know what they thought they knew? Er... yeah, I got nothing much.
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PostPosted: Wed, October 18, 2006 08:31 PM

Didn't we agree Writethat RTSo was your strictly Multiversal and the resulttournament of two eccentric beings endings who mistookalready, the way reality works both about six months ago, when ofthis last popped up? Or has that been you.invalidated since and I never noticed?

Hey, if sumbliminal messaging is what it takes...
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PostPosted: Wed, October 18, 2006 09:14 PM

*shrug* Don't look at me, my tournament ended properly I wasn't around for any such discussions.
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PostPosted: Thu, October 19, 2006 01:19 PM

Helmar wrote:
Didn't we agree Writethat RTSo was your strictly Multiversal and the resulttournament of two eccentric beings endings who mistookalready, the way reality works both about six months ago, when ofthis last popped up? Or has that been you.invalidated since and I never noticed?

Hey, if sumbliminal messaging is what it takes...


If we did, no one ever told me or Cru.

I'd rather RTSo be completely non-canon (or a part of a completely separate canon not connected to the EMC at all), but Rugal's existence and NGRT kinda fucked that up.

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PostPosted: Thu, October 19, 2006 10:40 PM

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I tossed it at you in IRC about a year ago prior to S18. That was back when Mark was still around, and after mocking the "Omniverse" for a bit you'd gotten upset thinking that I was planning to retcon RT Solid, when the plan was just to try to fit it in [as above].

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That does seem like the best way to handle it at this point. Hey, Canon Council, want to figure this one out? I want no part of it. *chuckles*
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PostPosted: Fri, October 20, 2006 03:29 AM

We can neither confirm nor deny the existance of the Omniverse.

Please route all questions of Crusader.

*cough*

In other words it'll get discussed when it's discussed >.>;

Retconning out Rugal becomes problematic because he's had a concerted appearance in things beyond said tournament, such as RT:L-SB, and his actions have affected things like I-No, etc. However we could always say this is a similar but different Rugal, but where's the fun in that?

We'll figure something out.

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PostPosted: Fri, October 20, 2006 11:38 AM

Wayne wrote:

I tossed it at you in IRC about a year ago prior to S18. That was back when Mark was still around, and after mocking the "Omniverse" for a bit you'd gotten upset thinking that I was planning to retcon RT Solid, when the plan was just to try to fit it in [as above].


My memory of a year ago is pretty hazy, admittedly. I thought we came to the conclusion that the Anno in RT:So and the one in NGRT were two entirely different characters and thus keeping RTSo's Omniverse and the EMC's Multiverse completely separate and non-interactive. If we kept to that, it'd be more the Rugal problem. I really wouldn't feel right to say to Dry "Retcon Rugal you bastard," but there has to be some solution that makes everyone happy.

Anyway, I WOULD like to develop the Omniverse more in a fiction idea of sorts (kinda a creation myth, in a way). Keeping it mostly serious, along with changing the names of figures like "MacBauer" and the self-insert parodies to less zany names and to flesh out powers and such. It'd kinda be the same idea as the All-Star series DC comics does, sorta (No, I won't have THE GODDAMN CRUSADER or anything), in that it's completely non-canon.
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PostPosted: Fri, October 20, 2006 03:25 PM

...isn't Cru already The Goddamn Crusader?

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PostPosted: Sun, October 22, 2006 12:24 AM

A question about the timeline here (imagine that!):

Around when, exactly, are we placing the journeys of Millon M'Tai? Originally, I would've had him pegged as appearing fairly early in the Eternals' history - not one of the 'first Eternals,' but I did think it'd be cool if he was originally an An'Ven or some formative race like that.

There are two general problems with working that into the canon timeline, though:

1) As told in this timeline, the Eternals actually took quite a while to get situated in the place we come to know as "The Eternal City." It seems like they were jumping around a lot, like itenerant apartment renters. Because of having no place to settle firmly, their society at that time hadn't had as much time to develop the noncombative disciplines, and that would make M'Tai feel kind of out of place there. Plus, what if he went on a long journey and came back and only then discovered that the Eternals had moved to their new crib, then had to try to find it?

2) The other problem is that, at that time, the Eternals seemed like a race that was advanced in warfare, but really not that much in technology. As M'Tai possessed a ship capable of traversing the multiverse, I don't think the possibility for such a ship is likely in the earliest history of the Eternals, especially knowing that they had to be given the use of the Memory Pools by the Creator as some sort of reality hax.

Now, neither of these entirely prevent M'Tai's appearance in the earlier history of the Eternals, but I feel as though the earliest one could sensibly place him is in 58M AC, when the move toward a more diversified Eternal society was underway and the permanent home of the Eternals was at least in sight. Or, it could conceivably happen between 55M AC and 52M AC. IIt could have been M'Tai's dissatisfaction with the in-fighting described in the entry for 59M AC, or (in the case of the latter) the event that led to the influx of refugees that led him to want to crew a long mission deep into the Multiverse and get away from a society he didn't feel entirely comfortable in. But then, there's the question of "How long were he and his crew away?" which is anyone's guess, but probably a fairly long time.

Just thought I'd post up the question, in case anyone wants to take a stab at plotting it on the timeline.
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PostPosted: Sun, October 22, 2006 02:48 AM

The early days of the Eternals has never been explored, and what I put in the timeline is just conjecture (plausible conjecture given a couple facts we do know for certain, like the earliest Eternals being or being similar to the An'ven, not exceptionally technologically savvy but excellent warriors, but still just theory). Given the nature of Multiversal "cosmology," it's not likely that the Eternals had a demiplane and a city within it to just "move into," and if they had to built the city from scratch, it's likely they had to do the rest of it too (enchant a new demiplane, gather materials and land for the continent itself, build a functional facility so that people not attuned to other universes could still use the Memory Pools, etc.), which presumably takes vast amounts of time. Tying it into the Titanicus is likewise totally made up, but it seemed like a nice way to give a nod to the "old stuff" while throwing most of the rest of it out the window. >_>

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that would make M'Tai feel kind of out of place there.


Every effect has a cause, and it's quite possible M'Tai was the guy responsible for there being a Lamdba caste, which was part of the "vast changes in the society" that you mentioned yourself. If so, you could put him as far back as AC 70M (though probably closer to 60, if that old at all) and he'd be one of the earlier arrivals, when the vast majority were still warriors [but obviously not all of them].

You mentioned at one point going with the idea that M'Tai is still around, and if that's the case, it'd probably be better to have him come in after all that (in the 40s or 50s at the earliest), because the odds of anyone having surviving all the wars and conflicts the Eternals were in, especially with as many enemies as they apparently ended up having; is extremely low. (The only "original" Eternal to have survived is Anko herself, and that largely by not only having an exceptionally good defensive power, but by not involving herself in affairs very often.) But there's always an exception that proves a rule, I suppose.

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As M'Tai possessed a ship capable of traversing the multiverse, I don't think the possibility for such a ship is likely in the earliest history of the Eternals, especially knowing that they had to be given the use of the Memory Pools by the Creator as some sort of reality hax.


*laughs* Well, due to the arbitrarily malleable nature of "time," the Eternals could use the Memory Pools to acquire technology from the future as well as the past (which can also be the same thing; if you can name at least five "ancient societies" from RPGs which have awesome technology compared to the "present," you get... a pitying glance and pat on the shoulder :] ). So that's not really that big a deal. There honestly aren't very many ships capable of doing it in the first place (the Q&A thread has one of my theories about that; that ships can't adapt to shifting realities like people can and thus have to be built with sufficiently expensive, non-reproducable materials that very few people actually have them), and they can also only move so many people at a time (unlike the Memory Pools). So don't worry too much about the logistics.

Overall, it seems like the most plausible points for him to "appear" would probably be in the 40-26M cycle range where nothing else has happened, or around 59M where the Eternal society was undergoing the most change. But you could really work him in anywhere, a gap of a million years is tremendous, no matter what scale you're working with.
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PostPosted: Sat, October 28, 2006 06:28 AM

Wayne wrote:
(the Q&A thread has one of my theories about that; that ships can't adapt to shifting realities like people can and thus have to be built with sufficiently expensive, non-reproducable materials that very few people actually have them)

Eternal ships are made of an alloy of impervium, unobtainium, and handwavium. *nods*

...Move along, nothing to see here.
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